Episode 98

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20th Feb 2026

98. Raven Crown Chapters 4, 5 and 6

A murdered guardian. A stolen sapphire. A raven with opinions.

Brie must gather the Jewels of Tambor—learning courage, cunning, and a strength she never knew she possessed—all while braving a twisted foot, a lack of trust, and impossible odds. Meanwhile, Dogmar, known as Jackal, will do anything to claim the throne…until a stolen jewel begins to unravel everything she believes about strength and survival.

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chapter four.

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Brie,

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as I storm down the trail, I'm

so angry, it's hard to see, and

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I'm forced to stop, calm down.

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I command myself.

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You've got to make it to

Vita's without being seen.

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Slipping through the woods is something

I'm good at, but I can't do it like this.

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After a few calming

breaths, I make a decision.

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I'll stay off the trail.

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It's slower but safer.

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Resigned.

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I set off again.

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Still not believing.

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I'm about to leave the Norwood.

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I step over a log and jump a route.

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Nona never considers how I feel.

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It's like I don't exist.

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I glance at the sky hoping to

see grim, but he isn't there.

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On a normal day, he would be, but

this isn't a normal day, he it.

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I begin to pick up speed.

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My foot is tender, but I welcome the pain.

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Anything to divert my attention

from what's happening.

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moving so quickly isn't wise.

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While I can do it for the short term,

if I keep it up, my foot will swell

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and walking will become painful.

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But right now I don't care.

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I've been scrambling through the

undergrowth for a good distance.

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When I stumble over a vine and

fall putting a gash in my knee, in

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frustration, I rip up the offending

plant and begin shredding it.

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After a moment, I stop realizing

I've never seen the vine before.

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It's really quite beautiful with delicate

red veins running through bright leaves.

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I drop what's left.

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It's not the plant's fault as

usual, it was my own pathetic foot.

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I start to feel sorry for

myself, not because I'm lame,

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but because I feel so alone.

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It's my same old lament.

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How different would my life

be if I knew my parents?

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I've begged Nona to tell me about them,

but I always get the same stubborn answer.

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I promised not to say until you were 18.

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As the familiar reply comes to

mind, I blink realizing I've

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missed something important.

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Since we are leaving the Norwood

early, does that mean Nona will tell

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me about my parents early as well?

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The inkling of hope gets me

to my feet and moving again.

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The sun is overhead When I

arrive, I rush past the gem pit

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where Vita's Sun Gray is working.

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He waves, but as usual, I

don't acknowledge his presence.

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He has the essence of a mole.

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At one time, I thought of him

as a laughing sheep dog, but

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two years ago I changed my mind.

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His father, big Zach, has

called him Gray from the day

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he was born, owing to his eyes.

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He could have called him

red on account of his hair.

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But gray's eyes are, well, They

make me think of rain clouds

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with sunlight around the edges.

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They snort in disgust.

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Mole eyes are useless.

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At the dugout, I burst through

the door Vita, whose essence is

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that of a mother hen is seated at

the largest loom in the Norwood.

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The wunk of the harnesses sliding

past each other and the Zeus

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of the shuttle and the thunk.

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Thunk of the beater bar reminds

me of the years I played

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with gray in this very room.

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Hard to believe.

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I don't even speak to the mole anymore.

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I must look harried as I stand in the

doorway because Vita jumps to her feet

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and demands to know what's happened.

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before I can speak big,

Zach steps in behind me.

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Zach has the essence of

a grizzled black bear.

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Without hesitation, he puts

his arms around my shoulders

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and I relax into his embrace.

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I wish not for the first

time that he was my father.

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A moment later, gray enters the

room, mumbling about knowing there

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was trouble by the look on my face.

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So he presumes to know me so well.

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Does he?

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Everyone waits for me

to speak, but I can't.

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Big Zach seeing my distress

leads me to a chair.

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I drop my staff on the floor and sit.

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with a stride across the dugout.

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Zach fetches a kettle from the hearth

and pours a mug of chamomile tea.

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Take your time.

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He says, handing it to me.

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I close my eyes and breathe in

the soothing scent while the day's

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events flash through my mind.

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I'm startled as I remember the ruby.

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with all that's happened.

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I actually forgot about it.

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The really distressing

part is I never told Nona.

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But when did I have time?

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Everything happened too fast.

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embarrassed to share my folly.

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I skip any mention of the stone

and start my story with finding

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the dragons in the forest.

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Vita cries as I explain

what happened to Fremont.

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Big.

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Zach tries to comfort her.

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Grace sits on the floor,

head on his knees.

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Shoulders shaking when I'm done.

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It's silent Eventually Vida

wipes her apron across her face.

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And stands when will Nona leave?

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She demands I am surprised

by her abruptness.

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I'm not sure.

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As soon as we get back,

I suppose we'll tell her.

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It will take us a day to settle

our affairs here, Vita says, but

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assure her we'll be on our way soon.

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Where are you going?

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I ask in surprise.

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It's all part of the plan.

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Nona will explain.

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Vita puts her hands on my shoulders.

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I want you to listen to me.

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I know you think of yourself as

a little bird, but I'm of the

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opinion that you are a Raven.

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Ravens are known for

their smarts and daring.

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She drops down before me.

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I've seen you do anything

you put your mind to.

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You can make this trek.

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I glance away knowing I'm no Raven.

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Avita goes on.

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If anyone gives you flack about

your foot, you tell them to stow it.

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Do you understand?

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I nod.

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Weekly, she throws her arms around

me and squeezes hard before rushing.

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Out of the dugout.

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Big Zach stands and clears his throat.

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Tell Nona that Gray and I will

be up to dig Fremont's grave.

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But if she wants anything said over

the body, she'll need to do it herself.

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I'm not one for words.

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With a pat on my shoulder, he

follows his wife out the door.

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It takes me a moment to realize

I've been left alone with the mole.

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The last time we spoke

was over two years ago.

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That was the worst day

of my life until today.

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Of course.

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The Mole is 18 and I've known him for as

long as I can remember When he grew out

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of pulling my hair and otherwise torturing

me, we became friends, best friends.

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We used to meet up in the woods

whenever we could escape our chores.

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He frequently brought me gifts, wild

berries, a butterfly, a small crystal.

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The last day we spoke, he tucked

a pheasant feather into the end

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of my braid, sending a tingle

of happiness down my spine.

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At the time, I thought, well, I thought

our friendship would go on forever.

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Then things changed.

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Nona pulled gray aside and told him that

we were growing up and that he should go

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home and not come back until I was 18.

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18.

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I was shocked and expected gray to argue.

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But he didn't.

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Instead he said things, things I never

thought my best friend would say.

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I ran when I heard his words ran and ran.

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Finally, my foot gave out

and I fell to the ground.

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I ripped the feather from my

braid and shredded it while I

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swore never to trust him again.

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Since that day, I ignore gray

whenever I see him though.

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I did notice how he flirted with the

other girls at the fall gathering.

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but I don't care.

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He stands now and I'm surprised

at how tall he's gotten.

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His red hair almost touches the rafters,

and I'm reminded of a puppy that's

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grown into his paws without warning, he

pulls me out of the chair into a hug.

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I stand stiff smelling

wood smoke and sweat.

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The sprout of hair on his

chin brushes my forehead.

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Hey Raven.

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I'm sorry we haven't seen

each other for a while.

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He says into the top of my

head, but you know how Nona is.

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It's too much.

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Everything that's happened today and

now Gray acting like, like he never

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said those things and calling me Raven.

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I know he just got it from his ma.

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Still, it's too horrible to bear.

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I break from his grasp and reach down

to pick up my staff, but running so

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hard has caused my foot to swell.

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I stumble and fall to my knees.

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Gray tries to help me, but I push

him away using my staff as a walking

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stick, I stagger out the door.

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Raven Gray calls after me, but I hurry

across the yard without acknowledging him.

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When I get to the woods, I'm

shaking with humiliation.

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Why did my foot act up in front of gray?

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I should have known better than

to trust the wretched thing.

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I try releasing my boot for

support, but it doesn't help.

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This is going to be a painful walk home.

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It's mid-afternoon and my

pace has slowed to a hobble.

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By the time I reach the

dugout, Nona won't be happy.

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I could have pushed it and gotten

home faster, But Nona is the one who

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always insists I take care of my foot.

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Not doing so could lead to infection

or possibly amputation a fact.

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I'm never allowed to forget.

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As I enter the yard, I notice two

large bundles next to the door.

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The chicken coop is open, and the

goats Nona tried so hard to save,

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have been scattered, things that

were once important don't matter now.

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Everything has changed.

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The realization makes my heart ache.

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I leave my staff in its customary

place over the door and step inside.

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As usual.

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It's dark except for a few

embers in the fireplace.

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I can just make out a quilt

in the middle of the floor.

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My knees go weak when I realize

that Nona has sewed the quilt

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closed around Fremont's body.

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How does she always know what to do?

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You are home.

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I jump at the sound of Nona's

voice coming from the darkness I

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was about to go looking for you.

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And don't you think I

can take care of myself?

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Nona doesn't answer my question.

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Instead, she asks one of her own.

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Where's the stone?

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Chapter five, Brie.

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The stone, my shoulder slump, and I

resolved to tell Nona as fast as possible.

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I found the ruby while looking

for the crock of lineman.

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I say I just wanted to see what it was.

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I planned on putting it right back.

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Nona's brows go up and my

heart sinks to my knees.

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I stepped towards a stool to sit down,

but almost trip over Fremont's body.

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I gasp.

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How could I have forgotten he was there?

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Go on.

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Nona says her voice soft but resolute.

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I blurt what happened?

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Nona's face changes from its usual

stoic expression to a look of despair.

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She drops into a chair

and rubs her temples.

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After a moment she speaks

we'll stay until morning.

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When Grim comes for his breakfast,

we'll follow him back to his roost.

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There's a chance we'll

find the ruby there.

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I'm flooded with relief.

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If anyone can get the

stone back, it's Nona.

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I drop to my knees before her.

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Where did the Ruby come from?

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No size after all these years.

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I'd like nothing better than

to tell you child, but I can't.

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Why I groan.

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You know why?

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Just as I promised not to speak of your

parents until you turned 18, I also

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promise not to say how I came by the ruby.

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My promise is a solemn vow.

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I drop my head to Nona's knees,

tired of never getting any answers.

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She strokes my hair and I relax some.

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Of course, you already know

where the Ruby came from.

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My head shoots up.

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I do not.

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Don't you remember your lessons

about the jewels of Tambor?

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Yes.

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I say tentatively it's tradition for

the queen to wear a crown adorned

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with special jewels on her coronation.

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Nona nods.

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that's right.

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For centuries.

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The queen of tambor have been

crowned with a woven circlet of gold.

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The jewels dangle from the circlet on

golden cords, Nona trails her fingers down

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the side of her face to her shoulders.

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This is to remind the queen to listen.

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She touches her ear with compassion.

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She touches her heart.

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horse feathers.

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I mumble.

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How can a queen listen with her heart?

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Nona goes on.

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When the queen is in tune with the jewels,

she is the link between the hesperian and

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the people, but things have gone awry.

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I squirm at the mention of the hesperian.

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I'm convinced the whisper, as I call

it, doesn't exist over the last century.

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Nona says The historian's priestesses

have been driven from the land, but at

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least the various queens have always

worn the circlet with its dangling gems,

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preserving the historian's influence.

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Unfortunately, the late queen

was so enamored with the latest

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fashions that she didn't bother

to wear the outdated circlet.

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Nona shakes her head.

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Now, there are only a handful of us

who remember the Hesperian at all.

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Most people have turned their attention

to the blood rituals of the snake gods.

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She pauses.

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When I first came across the Ruby,

I didn't know what it was, but

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I had an insatiable urge to find

out, so that's why you accost.

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Every traveler that walks our coast,

I say you're fishing for information,

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known as eyes twinkle.

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I don't accost anyone.

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You wouldn't let the last traveler

sleep until he told you some legend

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about a golden city where children

played with gems in the street.

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I remember because I sat

wrapped in a rabbit skin blanket

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wishing I could go to bed.

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Nona nods.

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Yes, there are many

versions of that story.

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I listen to them all because once in a

while I find a glimmer of new information.

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She holds up a finger, but

this is the important part.

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The people didn't live in a golden

city because they were rich.

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They were rich because everyone in the

city was in tune with the hesperian and

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they were in tune because they heeded

the gentle vibrations of the jewels.

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That's why the whole province was

eventually lifted into the heavens,

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away from the cares of this world.

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Nona looks me hard in the face

as if willing me to understand.

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the eight most powerful stones were left

behind to teach those still on earth

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how to become in tune with the hesperian,

thus leading them to joy and prosperity.

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And you think these eight stones were

passed down in the queen's crown?

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Yes.

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Nona says, then she looks pensive

As if deciding how much to say

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there are certain influential

people working in secret who

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don't want anyone to feel the his.

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They call themselves the order.

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Their greatest desire is to rid

the country of light and goodness.

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All that truly makes people happy.

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As darkness increases, so does their

ability to dominate and control.

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Thus they yearn to destroy the

jewels, but since that's impossible,

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they've locked them away.

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This tactic has all but succeeded

as tambor is slowly being

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enveloped by a vine of darkness.

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I'm sure no one would ever see the jewels

again if it weren't tradition for the

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queen to wear the crown at her coronation.

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Now I'm confused, but if

the gems are locked away.

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How did you end up with one?

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Nona lifts her chin.

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They were pride from the crown and slipped

from the castle without anyone knowing.

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I wait for her to go

on, but Nona is silent.

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I know she won't explain more,

so I ask my next question.

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If you need the jewels to

hear the whisper, why are you

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always harping on me about it?

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I don't have them.

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Nona gives a tired exhale, and I wonder

if my mind was off wool gathering while

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she was trying to teach this lesson.

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You don't need the physical stones.

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She says you only need to

understand their vibrations.

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I was taught to hear the historian by my

mother, and I've tried to teach you, not

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that you've come to appreciate it yet.

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Her eyes bore intently into

mine before she goes on.

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The problem is if we continue

passing down the lessons from

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person to person, eventually the

meaning will become distorted.

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That's why the actual

stones are important.

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If people aren't constantly

reminded of the true vibrations, the

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intent of the stones will be lost.

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But.

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Nona holds up her hand to stop me.

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The jewels were left behind as a

means of recording the qualities.

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Each person must tone in

order to feel the hesperian.

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Unfortunately, not everyone is

able to sense the subtle vibrations

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that requires a special talent.

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Thus, the royal bloodline was

chosen to take the throne.

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They have a natural ability

to feel the jewels and pass

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the lessons onto the people.

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That's why it's imperative

the queen wear the crown.

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But Nona, what does any of

this have to do with us?

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Nona looks at her hands before speaking.

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Without the Hesperian

evil is enveloping tambor.

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I believe Lord Reagan, thorn

as a zealous member of the

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order is spreading that evil.

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If he isn't stopped, the Norwood and

all of Tambor will be under his control.

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Slowly, the reality of Nona's

words sink in If I hadn't just

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witnessed Reagan thorn's handiwork,

I wouldn't have believed it.

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Now for the first time, I understand why

Nona planned our trick through Tambor.

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You want us to find the jewels, don't you?

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Nona leans forward exactly.

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But how will we know where to look?

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The Hesperian will guide us.

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Nona says, with conviction,

I stare at her in disbelief.

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That's it.

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All we have are some feelings from

the Hesperian, Nona frowns, If that's

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all we had, it would be enough.

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But as it turns out, I've

been gathering information.

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She picks up a large leather

envelope, resting on the table

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beside her, and releases a loop of

sinew from an abalone button gently.

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She opens the flap and

removes a worn parchment.

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I recall she bought it

from a Banjara pedler.

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It took every last shackle we had

earned from selling goat cheese.

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I was furious.

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What good is a parchment

written in the ancient language?

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It took Nona a month even

with her LXi glass of word

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translations to decipher the thing.

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This holds the most information I found.

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Nona says, running a hand lightly over

the ancient text, it explains the power of

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the jewels and how to hear their message.

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They speak, I ask Sarcastically

no, Nona says with a pointed look.

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Each stone radiates its

own essence, if you will.

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They help you hear the His by Nona

looks around as if searching

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for a suitable explanation by

adjusting your heartstrings.

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I roll my eyes, Nona ignores me.

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It's like Fremont using a

pitch pipe to tune his fiddle.

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And you think the whisper, I mean the

hesperian will make Reagan thorn go away.

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I ask with a scoff known as eyes flash,

it'll take some work on our part.

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But yes, I believe the Hesper can root

out the evil plaguing this country.

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I cross my arms.

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No, no.

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Looks down at the parchment.

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Brie, I'm sorry.

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This isn't the way I

planned for things to go.

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She shakes her head.

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We should have gone on this search

months ago, but I wanted you to have

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more time to strengthen your foot and

of course to finish your education.

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I'm still trying to take this

all in when Nona goes on.

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With the queen dead, I'm certain

Reagan Thorn has realized

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that the stones are missing.

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We've got to find them and get to ultan.

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Before the coronation of a new

Queen, Reagan thorn can't be allowed

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to put a puppet on the throne.

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With the jewels in proper hands, the

order will shrink back to obscurity.

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Tambor will be safe.

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What if we can't get

the ruby back from Grim?

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I ask there's concern on Nona's

face, but she purses her lips.

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if we can't retrieve the ruby, we'll

just have to remember how it feels.

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Will that help?

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Of course, Nona closes her eyes

and holds her hands out before

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her as if the ruby rests in them.

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The essence starts in your chest and

radiates outward with a red hot light.

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It's about passion and a zest for life.

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It balances the concerns of the heart and

gives you confidence in your convictions.

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When her eyes open, there's a

sparkle that wasn't there before.

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I know she won't like my next

question, but I have to ask,

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What did the jewels have to do with

my parents known as Face Falls?

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Oh, Brie, do you have

to make this so hard?

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I feel a P of guilt, but don't take

back my question known as size.

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You know more about your

parents than you realize.

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She places a palm to the side of my face.

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Think on the things you were taught

with time you will understand.

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I blink in confusion.

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That's not true.

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I don't know anything.

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I'm about to demand an explanation.

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When shouts echo from the

forest, I jump to my feet.

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The dragons have returned.

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Chapter six, Brie known as stands as she

listens to the sound of men in the forest.

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I think they're coming this way.

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She whispers

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With a step to the door.

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She cracks it just enough to

let in the late afternoon sun.

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It's clear.

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Let's go.

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We each grab a staff and a

bundle, then run for the woods

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like rabbits, dashing for safety.

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I start down the forest trail,

but Nona grabs my arm and

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points to a giant cypress.

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I can't imagine what she's thinking.

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Then it dawns on me.

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She's holding out for the ruby.

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I hurry to the weathered

trunk and pull myself up.

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I'm good at climbing trees, though I've

learned the hard way that I'm lousy at

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climbing other things such as C Cliffs?

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Nona scrambles up behind me.

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Most people would think an

old woman couldn't climb so

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well, but they don't know.

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My Nona.

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In the crook of a wind warped branch,

we find a secure place to sit.

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The scaled needles of the

old Cyprus envelop us.

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It's only by leaning forward and peering

through a small hole in the foliage that

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I can see the yard below creeping up.

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The trunk next to me is a

tendril of the same red vine

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I tripped over earlier today.

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How strange that I've

never noticed it before.

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We haven't been seated

for more than a minute.

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When Reagan thorn comes over

the hill, he is followed by

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two dragons and four soldiers.

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Nona tenses beside me.

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it's all right.

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I tell myself there isn't any

reason for them to look up,

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and if they do, it's doubtful.

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We could be seen through the greenery.

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Without so much as a knock three of

the soldiers barge into the dugout.

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There's the distinct sound of

crashing books and a volley of curses

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After a moment, a soldier calls.

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No one's here.

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My Lord

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Reagan Thorn is scowling.

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When grim arrives flapping to a tree

on the far side of the yard, I catch a

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glint of red in his beak and almost gasp.

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Does he still have the ruby?

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It's rare, but he has returned with pilfer

objects before Nona and I exchange a look.

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A foul smile spreads across Reagan thorn's

face I want to yell at grim to fly away,

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but of course I don't make a sound.

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Find me some food.

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Reagan thorn commands, one of the

soldiers hurries into the dugout

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and returns with a braid of garlic.

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Reagan Thorn doesn't look

impressed with the man's choice,

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but he waves the garlic at grim.

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Nonetheless, grim clucks deep in

his throat, making a sound akin

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to a stick, hitting a hollow log.

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It means he's curious.

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You want it?

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Come and get it.

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Reagan thorn throws the braid

towards the base of the tree.

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Grim flies down to look it

over, and I see the ruby.

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I wonder if he'll drop

it, but he holds it fast.

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While hopping around the garlic, I

watch Reagan Thorn watching Grim.

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Find me something we can use as a net.

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Reagan thorn calls one of the

soldiers scrambles to obey.

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A minute later, he returns with the

quilt off our bed, the commotion sends

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grim fluttering back to his tree.

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I give a silent cheer.

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Ile Reagan, thorn, bellows,

glaring at the soldier.

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The man goes pale and the reddish

brown ink on his neck stands out like

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a raven caught in a chicken coop.

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Reagan thorn turns away with a quivering

lip, get the blanket ready to throw.

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He orders Removing his jacket.

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Reagan thorn tosses it over a garden

stool and rolls up his shirt sleeves.

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my eyes are drawn to

the ink on his forearm.

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It looks like a moon symbol,

but not one of the standard 12.

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I'm familiar with Two smiling lines found

in all moon symbols look like nesting

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bowls and denote the crescent moon

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Within the bowl is usually a

motif such as a lightning bolt for

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August, or a flower bud for April.

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But this symbol has two lines

drawn in a V with a jewel wedged,

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like a chalk stone in the middle.

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I can't think of anything it could

represent while I squint at the symbol.

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The four soldiers tie rocks

in the corners of the quilt.

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Reagan thorn tries again to entice

grim out of the tree with the garlic.

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But grim isn't interested.

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At length, Reagan Thorn reaches

into a pouch at his waist and

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removes a gold coin with a grin.

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He flashes the coin in the

sun, grim clucks deep in his

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throat, and Reagan thorn snes.

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You like this, don't you?

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He flashes the coin again.

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Are you ready?

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Reagan Thorn asked the men behind him.

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Yes, my Lord.

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Good throw on my command.

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The soldiers look apprehensive,

but stand prepared.

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Each man holding a corner of the

quilt, Reagan thorn, tosses the coin.

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It spins through a shaft of sunlight.

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Grim flies for it at the same instant.

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Now.

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Reagan Thorn shouts.

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The soldiers fling.

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The quilt Grim makes a gallant swerve.

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For a moment, I think he'll escape,

but the quilt catches him within

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inches of freedom and forces

him to the ground horrified.

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I slap a hand over my mouth

to keep from crying out.

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Reagan thorn strides to the base

of the tree and collects the

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ruby from where Grim dropped it.

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He examines the stone and his

lips curl without warning.

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He throws his arms in the air.

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On the next full moon, I'll

become the great Corvex Corona.

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What is he talking about?

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Corvex Corona sounds like a word

from the ancient language, though

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I've never heard it before.

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Nona leans close and whispers in my ear.

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We've only a month to find the stones.

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I blink somehow.

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Reagan thorn's announcement has

told Nona when the coronation of the

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puppet queen will take place, find

the woman and the girl Reagan thorn,

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snarls, and secure that bird as well.

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Nona puts her mouth to my ear.

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We will run at the first chance we get.

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I can't help feeling guilty.

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Nona and I should have left just

after I returned, and we would

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have if I hadn't lost the ruby.

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This is all my fault as a soldier.

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:

Ties grim.

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Tightly in the quilt.

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Reagan thorn marches into the dugout.

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Books began to fly out the door.

543

:

I assume he's looking for more jewels.

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The men scatter searching

the forest for us.

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Nona and I sit motionless After an

eternity, Reagan thorn exits the dugout.

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His eyes are furious.

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He didn't find what he was looking for.

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Grim still struggling to escape the quilt.

549

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Lets out a Squawk.

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Reagan thorn's, lips turn to a hard smile.

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You've done well my friend.

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I only need one jewel to prove my power.

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The rest will come with a

dramatic sweep of his arm.

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Reagan thorn scoops up grim

and marches over the hill.

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Creative Spiritual Journey
one small, deliberate step at a time
We are all on a journey—a journey home to our heavenly parents. Any experienced traveler knows there are days you laugh and days you cry.

We aren’t here to tell you how to live—we are here to share how we live—how we survive, thrive, and even find joy!

The journey gets messy with rainstorms and sleepless flights but the hard times—the miserable times—those make the best stories.

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