111. Deborah the Prophetess
Ghia—Debora the Prophetess is an example to women. She lights a path and dares us to walk it!
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Gia here.
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:I'm this week's host of the Creative
Spiritual Journey podcast where Judy
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:and I talk about those things that bring
us joy This week I want to talk about a
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:woman from the Old Testament that I love.
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:Her name is Debra.
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:Debra.
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:The prophetess here is the
pocket version of her story,
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:Deborah known as a prophetess and judge
in the Old Testament, called for Barack
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:the commander of the Israelite army, and
urged him to carry out the Lord's command
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:to gather his forces and stand against
the Canaanite invaders at Mount Tabor.
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:Barack refused to go unless Deborah
agreed to go with him, which she did
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:when the Canaanite commander Cicero
advanced with his chariots, Barack
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:led the charge down the mountain.
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:When it became clear that the Israelites
were going to prevail, Cicero fled
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:on foot to the tent of JL where he
fell asleep thinking he was safe,
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:But while he slept, JL drove a tent
peg through his temple, fulfilling
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:the prophecy that the honor
of victory would go to a woman.
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:Many people don't even know Deborah,
and if they do, my brief recounting
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:is probably the extent of it.
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:Today I want to dive a little
deeper into this remarkable woman
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:First, let me paint you
a picture of her life.
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:I piece this together from the
biblical record and other texts
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:as well as archeological findings.
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:The main source being an amazing
archeologist named Cynthia Schafer Elliot,
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:who specializes in household archeology
from the Hebrew Old Testament era.
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:Here's what I found.
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:Deborah lived in the Central Hill
country of Israel, a rugged land of
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:steep limestone hills and narrow valleys.
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:Life followed the seasons and
people depended heavily on
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:what they could grow and store.
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:Building terraces was required for staple
crops like barley and wheat, along with
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:olives, grapes, figs, and pomegranates.
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:Small gardens likely produce things
like lentils, beans, onions, and garlic.
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:The people also kept sheep and
goats for milk, meat, and wool,
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:while donkeys carried goods
along the steep village trails.
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:Homes were built of stone and mud brick.
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:Typically, houses had a broad
storage room across the back
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:where large clay jars held grain.
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:Three long rooms typically extended
in the front of the storage room, and
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:were used for daily living and housing.
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:Animals archeological fines, suggest that
many of the houses had a second story
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:And the flat, usable roof.
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:It is believed that the homes
opened into a small courtyard
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:where many of the household
activities would've been performed.
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:Grinding grain into flour was a
daily task and could take hours.
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:Bread was baked in clay ovens with dough
pressed against the hot inner walls.
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:Textile work was also essential.
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:Women spun wool and wove cloth.
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:The fabrics were valuable, so
much so that invading armies
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:sought them as spoils of war.
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:This was a patriarchal society where
men held the formal leadership roles
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:and women left their homes to join their
husband's households after marriage.
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:Life in this time was incredibly
demanding with every member
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:of the household contributing
survival depended on shared labor.
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:One reference said this type of
subsistence living meant that people
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:didn't have the luxury of gender roles.
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:I think that's interesting and
perhaps it contributed to Deborah
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:becoming a judge and perhaps in this
time of shared responsibility, it
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:wasn't as odd as we might think for
a woman to hold a leadership role.
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:So I love to imagine Deborah as a
young girl out tending the goats and
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:grinding wheat and spinning wool with
her mother, her sisters, and her aunties
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:in the courtyard of her stone house.
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:I imagine her being wise and always
having good advice for her friends
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:and family, and that somehow
her reputation for wisdom grew.
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:So that's a little about her
life, but what was she like?
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:first.
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:Let me talk about the name Deborah.
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:We know how the Israelites
like their puns.
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:Isaac's name meant to laugh
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:Because Sarah laughed when she
learned she was having a child.
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:Jacob's name means heel grabber or usurper
because he acquired the birthright.
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:Esau means red because
he was red and hairy.
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:The name Deborah comes from
the Hebrew name Deborah.
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:It is got a V instead of A B, and Deborah
is directly translated to mean B and B.
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:Oh my goodness.
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:B has all kinds of rich
symbolic associations.
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:industrious.
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:Diligent wise, orderly, gentle nurturing,
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:which leads me to see Deborah as
delightful like honey, with the
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:potential for a protective sting.
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:But this isn't it.
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:Her name Symbology goes on.
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:The King James version of the
Bible says Deborah was married
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:to a man named Labrador.
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:But the exact wording in
Hebrew says, A she Labrador.
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:Labrador means torches or flame.
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:A, she can mean wife of or woman of
the idea that that translation could
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:be woman of in instead of wife of
offers us a very different picture.
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:Instead of meaning Deborah was married
to a man with the name, flame, or
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:torch, the word a she, Labrador gives
us more of a hint to her character.
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:Perhaps she was a woman of fire or a
fiery woman that would tell us something.
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:Or I can't help but see the word torch
as a bringer of light or giver of light.
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:Was Deborah a woman who shared her light?
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:Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised
if all these things were true.
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:So I have come to see Deborah
as this fiery woman who shares
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:a light, sweetness, one who
burns with conviction and warmth
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:Illuminating others without
ever dimming herself.
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:To me that's Deborah and personally,
I suspect that Deborah was married She
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:lived in a time of arranged marriages
where women may have had some say,
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:But marriage was mostly a
family and economic arrangement.
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:It wasn't like today where
if you don't find the right
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:person, you can stay single.
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:At that time, your father simply
picked someone and given the economic
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:incentive, it was almost certain to occur.
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:So if she was married, she would've
had to leave her family and go
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:join her husband's household.
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:And that invites me to imagine
her sphere of influence expanding.
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:Now she would have twice as many
people exposed to her wisdom.
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:And connecting to more people
could have helped pave the
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:way for her role as a judge.
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:Now here is another thing.
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:I think the scriptures show us about
Deborah's character, and I love this.
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:Her story is told in judges four and five.
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:Chapter four reads like a narrative,
but chapter five often called
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:the Song of Deborah, is poetic.
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:did Deborah write the song?
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:This is debated among scholars, but
the Bible does say she sang the song.
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:So I am going with the idea that it truly
represents her thoughts on the experience.
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:And this is beautiful because it
feels as if it was written by someone
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:who was really paying attention to
the role of nature in the story.
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:Because the story reveals that God
doesn't fight battles the way humans do.
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:Through Deborah's story, God
illuminates his power, not just over
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:people, but over creation itself.
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:Listen to how the song describes
the events on the day of the
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:battle the earth trembled.
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:The heavens poured rain.
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:The mountains shook before the Lord.
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:The stars fought from heaven and
the river Khan swept them away.
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:Think about that for a moment.
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:Who could possibly win a battle when the
stars themselves are fighting against you?
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:What the song gives us that the
narrative doesn't is that while Barack
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:goes out to fight Cicero, it's not
ultimately Barack who wins the battle.
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:The rains came, the ground turned
to mud, the river overflowed.
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:And those iron chariots, Cicero's greatest
strength became useless, through Deborah's
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:story, we're left with this realization.
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:It wasn't Barack who defeated Cera.
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:It was God and Deborah, who I believe
knew God deeply, recognized his handiwork,
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:which of course I love about her.
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:And that's not even it.
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:I've got another fascinating insight
from this story to share with you,
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:but to get there, I want to talk
about Deborah being a prophetess.
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:I mentioned Deborah in a primary class
years ago, and a little 11-year-old
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:boy said Deborah couldn't be a PROEs
because she didn't hold the priesthood.
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:Honestly, I didn't know what to say.
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:Now, I'm not sure this is the only answer,
but here is one explanation I have found.
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:It comes down to our
definition of a prophet.
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:In the Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter Day Saints, we only call
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:the president of our church and the
apostles that serve with him prophets.
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:But according to Latter Day Saints
scholar and historian Matt Bowen,
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:the biblical use of the word prophet
had a slightly different meaning.
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:A prophet was generally someone
who had an overwhelming experience
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:with God and was then charged with
calling the people to repentance.
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:Jonah would fit this category
from the book of Mormon.
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:Lehigh would fit this category.
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:Joseph Smith would fit this category.
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:But Nephi or Brigham Young
would not fit this category.
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:While both were priests and religious
leaders and they did preach repentance,
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:they weren't called up to this bigger role
as prophet, this role of reestablishing
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:the truth of Jesus Christ in a city or
to a people or even to the whole world.
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:Does that make sense?
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:Our definition has changed.
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:I find this fascinating language
is a living, changing thing.
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:if you are interested in a more
detailed explanation of this idea, I
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:will include a link in the show notes.
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:But the reason I'm making this point
is because in my mind it explains
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:how Deborah was a true prophetess.
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:We don't see Deborah's prophetic
call in the parts of her story that
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:we have, but the Bible does clearly
state that she was a prophetess and
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:we see her taking action in this role.
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:She clearly speaks on behalf of God
and declares divine instruction.
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:We see this when Deborah goes to speak to
Barack, the captain of the Israelite army.
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:Here she appears to call him out for not
gathering an army and fending off the
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:Canaanites, and I suspect in the process
of calling Barack to fill his role as
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:captain, she was also calling not only
Barack, but all the people to repentance
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:And then Barack says he will go to war
only if Deborah agrees to go with him.
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:Now, I don't know about you,
but I suspect he was calling her
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:bluff, and if he was, it backfired
because she said she would go.
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:And to top that, she prophesied that
Barack wouldn't get the honor of
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:defeating Cicero, that the victory
would go to a woman, a woman.
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:Isn't that interesting?
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:Do you think God was trying to
make a point here, like maybe he
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:was weaving a woman's theme and
that he was doing it for a reason.
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:We have a female judge and prophetess,
and now we have a female heroine,
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:and I'm going to share with you
the third place I see a female
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:theme coming up in this story.
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:In Judges five, the poetic
version of the story.
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:CSRA's mother, the mother of the Canaanite
captain, is waiting for her son to come
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:home for more, and she looks out the
window and she cries through the lattice.
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:Why isn't his chariot coming?
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:What's taking so long Have they not
divided the spoils to every man, a
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:damsel or two, and to cice a colorful
embroidered garments for my neck.
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:Did you hear that alarming phrase
to every man, a damsel or two?
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:What?
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:That's horrific.
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:I know women are often abused in war,
but hearing it here breaks my heart
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:And I can't help but think this
fact, this fact of war was a great
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:motivator for Deborah as a woman
leader in a patriarchal society.
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:I can see her more sensitive to
gender violence, and it's possible
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:she wasn't acting as a judicial leader
or even as a spiritual leader, but
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:as a protector of the vulnerable.
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:As a prophetess, she could see the
horrific consequences of not going to war.
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:here's the irony.
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:As CSRA's lamenting mother casually
reveals the fate of women resulting
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:from this war, CSRA's Army is being
destroyed by an army, rallied and
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:motivated by a woman, and ultimately
cice A is killed by a woman.
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:It's a striking reminder that God
moves through the heart of courage
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:and that the courage of women
can change the course of history.
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:Now, to me, this story of a radiant
mountain girl shaped by God and
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:his turning seasons, kindles my
courage and calls me to be braver.
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:It lights the path and
dares me to walk it.
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:It reminds me that I matter, that
my voice matters, and I hope it
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:ignites the same spark in you.
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:Deborah beseeches us to stand with
courage, not perfectly but faithfully.
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:In ending, I have to tell you that
if you are listening to my Raven
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:Crown novel, you might notice bits
and pieces of Deborah's song as the
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:backstory to one of my characters.
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:so if you are interested,
you can be watching for that.
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:Thanks for listening.
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:Until next week.
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:Namaste.