Episode 104

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13th Mar 2026

104. Raven Crown Chapters 13, 14 and 15

A murdered guardian. A stolen sapphire. A raven with opinions.

Brie must gather the Jewels of Tambor—learning courage, cunning, and a strength she never knew she possessed—all while braving a twisted foot, a lack of trust, and impossible odds. Meanwhile, Dogmar, known as Jackal, will do anything to claim the throne…until a stolen jewel begins to unravel everything she believes about strength and survival.

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Chapter 13, Bri.

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The next three days are more of the same.

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Every morning.

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Grim arrives at first light

as we can't spare any food.

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He squawks at us until going

off to find his own breakfast.

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Before leaving, I notch my

staff and rubbed down my foot.

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It's painful, but I refuse to let it stop

me as soon as my boot is tightly laced.

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We're off and moving as fast as possible.

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We find berries and so many wild

radishes that my stomach protests.

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There are also a few mushrooms.

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Despite the extra rations.

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Gray is always hungry.

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While we travel, we gain altitude.

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The coastal Cyprus and oaks are

replaced with alpine furs and pines.

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We come across several dense

patches of red and green vine.

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I still think it's so strange

that I never noticed it before.

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At night while struggling to

keep my eyes open, I study the

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Parchments in known as Envelope.

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Grim sits on my shoulder while

I work Unusual as he isn't

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generally such a night owl.

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It's a good thing I grabbed all

the candles when I saw the dragon.

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They are better to read

by than the cook fire.

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Every night I notice the moon wasting away

at the edge reminding me that I've gotta

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find the jewels before it's full again.

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Jackal and doubts nag at my mind when

I travel a day longer than expected.

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Without finding Sir Pesca, my

worry strikes even deeper when

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I eat the last of my food.

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I know how to live off the land.

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Snaring an animal isn't hard, but

I can't waste the time to set traps.

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I need to keep moving.

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If I lose my rodent, there will

be nothing left of my life.

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My confidence returns when I find a

road running along the Towari River,

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the same river that traverses over

half the length of Tambor, then

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straight through the center of Ultan.

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Sir Peka must be close.

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I know I'm right when I begin encountering

groups of pilgrims, obviously on their

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way to worship at the Ram Wat of Naja.

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Soon I come across two

soldiers patrolling the road.

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I smile.

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This is working out perfectly.

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I convinced them to take me to

their dragon stationed in ska.

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They aren't happy, but lead

me up a side road, which gets

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considerably steeper as we go ahead.

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I see a network of digger caves carved

into the hillside like ant Burroughs.

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This is the village of Sir Pesca.

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The soldier stop at a wooden gate.

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In a stone wall.

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Here a trail leads along the hillside past

an eatery and other village necessities.

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I snort at the site of a croker's

lounge combined with a wig shop.

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These people don't wear wigs.

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The Roker must simply buy

hair and sell it on to ultan.

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The soldiers tell me to inquire

for the dragon at the last door

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on the trail, then make excuses

about getting back to their patrol.

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most likely they don't want

to face the consequences.

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If the dragon isn't happy,

they brought me here.

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I marched to the door,

guarded by two soldiers.

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Tell your dragon that Dogmar

Ethereal of Ultan is here to see him.

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I say using my formal name.

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If this dragon was trained in the

central province, he should recognize me.

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If not, it may take some

convincing to prove who I am

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despite being aired to the throne.

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Not all dragons know me on site.

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The guards look doubtful, but one

opens the door and steps inside.

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I try to follow, but the

other guard steps in my way.

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I resist the urge to snarl soon.

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The first guard reappears, the

dragon says Dogmar ethereal

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is an ultan, not traveling,

unaccompanied through the country.

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The guard leans forward until his

face is directly in front of mine.

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I don't move.

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you are either a liar or back crazy.

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He says, with the dragon out of good wine.

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I suggest you don't raise his ire.

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I fold my arms, Tell the

dragon I can prove who I am.

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And if he doesn't see me at once,

I'll put a permanent halt to the

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delivery of any wine to this vicinity.

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Come on, girl.

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The guard rolls his eyes

spare me the trouble.

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If I go back in there, it isn't

going to be pretty for either of us.

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I am dirty, tired, hungry, cold, and

now I'm losing my patience With a look

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of disgust, I turn and take a few paces

away as if complying with the request.

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But in a flash, I spin leap into

the air and kick the man in the face.

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The other guard puts

out a hand to grab me.

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That's a mistake.

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In one swift movement, I pull

the knife from my back and throw,

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There's a shriek of pain as the

guard's hand is pinned to the

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wooden doorframe with my blade.

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In an instant, I'm through the door and

standing before the dragon, he looks

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up from a leg of mutton in surprise.

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There was no recognition in his face.

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I'll have to do this the hard way.

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I glance around the windowless

room lit with lanterns.

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A rich carpet is on the floor.

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It's nicer than I would expect this

village to possess, which makes me

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suspect the dragon brought it with him.

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That and his taste for fine wine

begins to paint a picture of

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a man who enjoys his comforts.

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The man himself is lean and tall, but

not a giant by dragon standards.

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His dark hair is pulled

back in a neat tail.

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His black shirt is made of fine

fabric and open to an inked chest.

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His dark eyes steer me down

with an intensity I find

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enticing, as well as unsettling.

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I like a man that can hold my gaze.

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Unfortunately, that's not

what I need right now.

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The fingers of his hand drum the table.

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An easy reach from a rapier resting there.

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I stand my ground and glare back.

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I find my mouth watering

at the smell of meat.

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I need to get on with this

before I faint from lack of food.

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So you want proof of my identity.

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I ask not hiding my annoyance.

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The dragon leans back in his chair.

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No doubt.

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Getting past his guards has caused

him to reconsider his dismissal of me.

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Yes, I would.

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I unhooked the belt from around my

waist and stride forward to dangle the

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buckle over a candle next to some maps.

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The dragon shows no concern.

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He must feel quite

confident in that rapier.

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This will only take a moment,

I say with a sweetened smile.

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To pass the time I add, it's a

pity that a man with your taste is

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stationed so far out in the country.

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If you were posted in Ultan,

you wouldn't have to worry

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about running out of good wine.

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I say with a shrug, if things go my

way, I might be able to help with that.

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I watch the dragon from under my lashes

as I spin the buckle in the flame.

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while some people have a signet

ring, my father provided me with a

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sign of his authority by having it

embossed on the edge of my buckle.

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It's the same buckle, which conveniently

hides an exceptionally sharp blade.

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while my father intended

the seal to be used in wax.

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I've devised a more creative use for it

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As soon as I'm sure the buckle is good

and hot, I step towards the dragon

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With one swift motion, I snatch a

greasy cloth napkin from the table and

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use it to press the buckle into the

bare skin of the dragon's sword arm.

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the smell of burning hair and

searing skin fills my nostrils.

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It's a shame to scar such a handsome

man, but some things can't be helped.

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Okay, before I can back away, a

hand smashes across my face and I'm

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set and sprawling into the wall.

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The dragon is on his feet with a roar.

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Five armed guards rush in

from an adjoining room.

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Weapons drawn.

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I stagger to my feet, putting a hand up.

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I find a trickle of blood

running from my nose.

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I can't help myself and

burst into laughter.

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It's worth receiving the blow just to

see the look on the dragon's face as

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he studies my father's crest, the blood

moon symbol branded on his forearm.

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Do you believe me?

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Now, Between the crest on his

arm and the manner of delivery,

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he can hardly deny who I am.

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The dragon's fierce eyes turn on.

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The guards in the room leave us.

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He commands I smirk

knowing I've made my point.

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Oh, would you have the guard at the door?

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Bring me back my knife?

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I ask.

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It's my favorite.

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I'd hate to lose it.

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A minute later, the knife is delivered.

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The dragon who seems to have

lost his appetite, watches with a

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leery eye as I finish his dinner.

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Finally, he asked the question I've been

waiting for, what are you doing here?

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My lips twitch.

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I thought you'd never ask.

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There's a girl roaming the forest.

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I need her found.

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You may not know this, but

the woods here are expansive.

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That girl could be anywhere.

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I slammed my hand down on the

table causing the plates to jump.

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Of course I know that's

why I need your help.

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I remember myself and put

on a pleasant expression.

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Besides, you don't wanna spend the rest

of your life here, do you help me and

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I'll see that you get a transfer to Ultan.

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The dragon shifts in his

seat, and I know I've got him.

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We discuss my plan.

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The dragon agrees to have his men begin

a sweep of the southeastern forest.

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At dawn, before I'm led to a room for

the night, the dragon grabs my arm.

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I want that position in Ultan.

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I raise a brow, then find my rodent,

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Chapter 14 jackal.

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The next morning I'm up at Daybreak.

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The serving girl is about my size and I

persuade her to trade me clothes at home.

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I don't wear skirts if I can help

it, and certainly nothing as rough

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as this tunic, but today looking

like a digger might be helpful.

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To complete the effect.

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I let my hair hang loose around my

shoulders, then braid a few strands

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here and there as the digger girls do.

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The dragon doesn't recognize me as I

walk into his quarters when I stand

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at the table instead of clearing

dishes he looks up surprised.

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Well, well, who knew?

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Dogmar could be so

fetching my temper flares.

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You can call me jackal.

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I growl.

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The dragon drops his smile.

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Soon.

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I'm scouring the countryside

with the soldiers.

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We search until late in the afternoon.

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Without any luck, she's got to be here.

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I mumble as I stalk through the forest.

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sir Pesca is the only place she can

pick up supplies And with all the

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pilgrims traveling to the Ram Wat

of Naja, she's sure to think she

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can slip in without being noticed.

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But the longer we search without

finding her, the more I curse myself

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for not sticking to her trail.

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the sky is threatening rain as I walk

along a ridge scanning the forest below.

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Unexpectedly.

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I feel a tingle in my chest.

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It's similar to how I feel while walking

through the gem markets in Ultan.

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I look around.

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Sure, the dragon is close.

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He must have a stone I

didn't notice before.

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But he isn't in sight.

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I continue walking and feel a

tingle again, stronger this time.

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it's a similar sensation to the one

I had in the presence of the ruby,

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both in enticing and revolting.

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I walk turning this way and that

until I have a lock on which

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direction the tingle is coming from,

this could only mean one thing.

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My rodent has a jewel of

tambor, and she's close.

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Brie.

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By my calculations, we should have

reached the Uare River by now since

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we haven't, I've become anxious

that I've read the map wrong.

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Come on Raven, let's take a break.

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Nothing I say will get great.

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A quit calling me Raven and is nagging

about my foot, has worn my patients thin

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as a spiderweb in no mood to be coddled.

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I drop my bundle and

pull my staff on guard.

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I yell this unexpected attack will

only confirm that I'm still up to

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my Raven Tricks, but I don't care.

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Before Gray can defend

himself, I swing at his ribs.

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It isn't a bone cracking

blow, but it's hefty.

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Straight away I feel better.

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Gray staggers back his

face red with surprise.

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I might be afraid I've heard

him, but as kids we used to

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have mock battles all the time.

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I know from experience that

it takes a lot to hurt gray.

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He reacts by reaching for a

branch on the forest floor.

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Ignoring the pain in my foot,

I dive in and deliver the next

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blow between his shoulder blades.

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The exertion is exhilarating and I

feel a weight lifting from my chest.

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When gray stands, the branch in

his hand is enormous and covered

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in dried pine needles due to

the size of his weapon, gray.

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Can't see well.

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I slip in and get two more strikes.

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You've gotten better Gray

yells trying to block my blows.

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A year out of practice, I call

back ducking to miss his next swing.

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Gray lunges my way waving

his giant branch.

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I haven't practiced since

the last time I saw you.

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I know he's referring to

our last day together.

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The day Nona sent him away.

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My jaw tightens at the memory.

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I take another swing, but slip landing

on my backside, gray seizes his chance

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to plop the branch down on me, covering

me in dried pine needles and dirt.

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You win.

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I yell.

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Spitting dirt from my mouth.

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What's that?

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Gray says as if he didn't hear me.

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I surrender.

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Get this thing off.

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Gray lifts the branch, which

showers me with more needles.

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His eyes are bright as

he plops down at my side.

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Do you still have those dreams

about flying Raven Because you had

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to be airborne to strike that fast.

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He rubs his ribs and groans.

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Stop complaining.

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You deserved it.

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Why gray demands with an impish grin?

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Because you wouldn't stop

worrying about my foot.

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I tried to brush the

needles out of my hair.

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Besides, I say more seriously

Staff work is good for me.

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Any chance that stone

is rubbing off on you?

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You sound like Nona.

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All wise and grown up.

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Like whatever.

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I grumble, despite my hopes.

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On the first night, I haven't

felt a thing from the stone.

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When I've caught my

breath, I stand, Come on.

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We need to keep moving while

heading towards our bundle.

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I'm aware that once again,

I'm drawn to graze easy ways.

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I can't seem to help it grim in the tree.

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Overhead.

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Lets out A series of staccato calls.

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Yes, yes.

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I mumble.

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Without looking at him.

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Gray and I are becoming friends again.

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What of it?

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Grim doesn't respond.

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I glance up, but he isn't looking at me.

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He's peering towards our bundles.

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There's a prick of panic in my chest.

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The sapphire I run, but it's too late.

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The oil skin bags are open and

things have been pulled out.

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Rustling comes from the underbrush.

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Without hesitation, I pull my

staff and race towards the noise.

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I can't lose another stone.

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Jackal by pheon.

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I didn't expect the rodent to

be so fast before I can react.

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She knocks me to the ground and sits on

my back pinning me to the forest floor.

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It takes all my self-control, but I

smother my instinct to smasher flat

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best to let her think I'm helpless.

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The fact that I'm now face down in

the dirt is my own fault When the pair

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left their packs, I couldn't resist

looking for the jewel that led me here.

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They returned before I found it.

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Curse my impatience.

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Now I'll have to improvise.

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What were you doing in our bags?

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The girl demands, who knew she could

be so fierce, but I suppose any

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rodent will fight when threatened.

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I'm sorry.

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I say, which is true enough.

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I'm sorry I didn't wait until a

better time to search their bags.

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Brie.

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Give it back.

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I demand as I glare into a set

of golden brown eyes when there

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isn't a reply, I lean closer.

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I said, give it back.

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I didn't take anything.

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The girl hisses, her reply is so vehement.

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I feel some doubt.

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This wouldn't be the first

time I've acted Rashly.

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Gray hold her while I check.

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Gray takes my place and

I run to my bundle there.

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I search until I find the jewel.

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I breathe a sigh of relief.

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It's here.

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Nothing was taken.

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I return the stone to Nona Shawl

and tie it securely around my waist.

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From now on, the Sapphire

isn't leaving my side.

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Gray lets the girl go.

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She doesn't get up, only rolls to her

side with a hand pressed to her temple.

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I realize in my zest to retrieve the

sapphire, I've given her a bruise.

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I would feel bad, but she was

the one rummaging in my bundle.

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she glows up at me and I'm reminded

of a wounded forest creature hurt

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and wild with not fear, but anger.

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The girl pushes herself into a seated

position and we regard each other.

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She's wearing the rough clothing of

a digger, a well worn plumb skirt

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under a long brown tunic, tied

at the waist with a leather belt.

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She has a strong face, large eyes, rimmed

with dark lashes and high cheekbones

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that frankly Remind me of a muzzle.

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Not that she isn't beautiful.

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she's extremely beautiful, but her

essence is canine, I'm sure of it.

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And the only thing that strikes

me as odd are the silver hoops

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that run up her ear lobe.

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The digger women often wear rough gems

given to them by a sweetheart, but I've

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never seen a whole row of piercings.

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The girl takes me in as well.

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She eyes my staff and the wooden

sole of my boot self-consciously.

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I tuck my foot behind the other.

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Her eyes flick to gray, and

she puts a hand up to her head

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again, giving him a weak smile.

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Gray smiles back and his,

aren't I a good dog way?

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I look at him in disbelief.

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This girl is playing him just

like the flirty girls at the fall

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gatherings, and he's falling for it.

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The hair on the back of my neck prickles.

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This is exactly why I can't trust him.

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I purse my lips and determine

to get rid of this girl.

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Chapter 15.

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Brie, why were you digging

through our bundles?

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I demand.

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The girl Pouts.

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I was searching for food.

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I put a hand on my hip.

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Why?

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The girl shifts her gaze to

gray and looks for Lorne.

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I'm tethered to the Roker in ska.

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I get fed something every

day, but it's never enough.

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You are not tethered.

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I blurred out or you wouldn't

be walking around in the woods.

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The girl's face hardens.

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I am not actually chained to a literal

spike the way I would be in the gem

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pits of Ultan, but the old Roker

woman in Ska owns me just the same.

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My spike covers the distance.

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I can walk in one day.

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As long as I get home

before dark, I'm fine.

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I wander too far and she'll have

me hunted down and punished.

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I blink.

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I didn't know the term spiked

could be used so broadly.

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What I do recognize is the

pain in the girl's eyes.

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It's so similar to how Fremont

looked when he mentioned being

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tethered, that I almost believe her.

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Still something is wrong.

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Where's your ink?

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I ask.

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Recalling the web pattern

on Fremont's forearm.

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The girl hesitates, and I

think I've caught her in a lie.

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When slowly she stands and lifts

her skirt, long stockings come

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out of her boots, extending up to

her knees where the stockings end.

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I can see an intricate pattern

of ink reaching up her thighs.

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The design combines the faded red of

healing ink, along with the blue black ink

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I've only seen used to mark the tethered.

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After a moment, she drops her skirt.

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I'm almost completely covered from here.

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She holds one hand to

her breastbone to here.

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She puts another hand on her knees.

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Are you satisfied?

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Gray, whose face is the

color of plum jelly says yes.

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The ink on the girl's body

is nothing like fremont's.

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I wonder if, just like there are different

kinds of spikes, there are also different

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ways of marking the tethered, but I don't

want to show my ignorance by asking,

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What are you doing out here?

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I demand instead searching for herbs.

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She says, as if it's obvious for

what the girl widens her eyes.

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What kind of hay seeded are you?

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Therefore, the roker to put in her

ink, you know, for healing people.

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Apparently there is no

way to cover my ignorance.

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Now I'm embarrassed and annoyed.

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I'm about to give a sharp

retort when Grace speaks up.

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We're from the Norwood.

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He says, smiling again, not many

people there and no spikes or rochers.

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The girl looks surprised

and bats her eyelashes.

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No CROs.

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How do you live without them?

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Gray shrugs just fine.

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Far as I can tell.

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He holds out his hand

and helps the girl up.

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Come on.

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We'll get you something to eat,

but we hardly have anything left.

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I blurt out.

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Gray gives me a look that says I should be

more polite and walks towards our bundles.

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My skin bristles in irritation.

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fine.

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He's the one that's always hungry.

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Raven, will you fill this with water?

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Gray hands me the cook pot.

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I snatch it And look at the girl who

still has her hand on her temple.

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You're not hurt.

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Be useful and gather some firewood.

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I say while filling the

pot from my water skin.

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Sit down.

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I'll gather the wood.

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Gray tells the girl, by

the way, what's your name?

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There's a moment's hesitation.

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Then she says, Jackal.

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My head comes up, jackal.

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I study.

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Her face, suits her perfectly.

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I mumble gray glares at me, then

turns his attention back to the girl.

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I am gray bragga of the Norwood.

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He says, holding out his hand

jackal, smiles and places

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her palms on top of his.

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They slide them apart in the

traditional tambour greeting.

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This is Breen Grace says,

using my full first name.

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Then he stops his face going

blank as he struggles to come

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up with a formal name for me

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As I don't know my family or where

I was born, I simply don't have one.

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Has Gray, never realized this.

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He clears his throat, then says,

this is Brene of the black raven.

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I cross my arms.

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:

It seems gray has made me an

honorary member of the Crow family.

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Glad to meet you, Brene, or should I call

you Raven and Jackal says with a snicker.

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holding out her palms.

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The way gray did Call me Brie.

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I mumble and turn away without

completing the greeting.

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gray.

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Winks at jackal.

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Ravens work in pairs.

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That's why she needs me.

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He says.

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What the idea that he

would consider himself.

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My partner is infuriating.

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To show my displeasure, I stomp to my

bundle and make a show of repacking it.

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When Gray has a fire started, he

adds the last of our food to the

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pot as the Stew simmers, I notice

him taking shy looks at our visitor.

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She brushes a strand of black hair

from her face and offers him a smile.

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He brightens.

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I clear my throat and

hold out a wooden spoon.

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Gray turns to me like

he forgot I was there.

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Then looking sheepish, he takes

the spoon and stirs the stew.

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Jackal twists a long

lock around her finger.

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I wouldn't be hungry if I'd

let the Roker cut my hair.

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She says, looking at gray

to see if he's watching.

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He is.

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Why he asks.

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With a frown.

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jackal, shrugs.

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Like most Roker, the one here

supplements her income by selling

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hair to the wig makers in Ultan.

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I guess mine would be worth quite a bit.

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:

I see Grace says, looking somber.

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Clearly he doesn't like the thought

of this girl cutting her hair.

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self-consciously.

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I run a hand over my own.

483

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It's longer than jackals, but

the tangles are worse than usual,

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and it's full of pine needles.

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She told me if I let her cut

my hair, I could have all

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:

the food I want for a month.

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Of course, she has the power to take it

without permission, but so far she hasn't.

488

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I see Gray clench his jaw.

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:

No one should treat

another person like that.

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He says.

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I agree, but I'm sure Jackal only

mentioned her hair to catch gray's

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:

attention and it's working gray.

493

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Shall we add some spice to the stew?

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:

I ask while we may be eating

the last of our food, the bag

495

:

of capsicum is still quite full.

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I'm not sure Jackal is up for it.

497

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Grace says.

498

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I am up for anything jackal answers.

499

:

I grin and sprinkle a large

pinch of powder into the stew.

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:

I'm about to put in more when

gray pushes my hand away.

501

:

That's enough.

502

:

He says, I only relent because

it would be foolish to over

503

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spice the last of our food.

504

:

How far is it to Sir Peka?

505

:

I ask pretending to make polite

conversation about an hour that way.

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Jackal motions with her chin

without taking her eyes off Gray.

507

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I am relieved to know we are so close.

508

:

jackal while waiting for the

stew, I try getting a little

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information from the knit wits.

510

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I start with a simple question.

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So what are you doing here?

512

:

My rodent looks away, but the boy answers

we're traveling to the Ram Wat of Naja.

513

:

My rodents face grows so dark with anger.

514

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It's comical.

515

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I would laugh, but the answer

is actually quite irritating.

516

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I'm not surprised they're

going to the Ram wat.

517

:

What I need to know is exactly why I'm

aware Naja harbors a precious stone.

518

:

My father has been coveting it for years.

519

:

But surely if it were one of the

jewels of tambor, my father would've

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devised a way to get it by now and

then again, he didn't know the stones

521

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were missing until a few weeks ago.

522

:

Brie, I'm promptly annoyed that

Gray has told this girl our plans.

523

:

I suppose the fact that we're heading to

NA's Ram Wat isn't really important, We

524

:

look enough like pilgrims to blend in.

525

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Still, he shouldn't have shared our plans.

526

:

I manage to deflect the rest of the

girls' questions when the stew is hot.

527

:

Gr hands are a spoon.

528

:

She digs in without any

complaint about the spice.

529

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Rats.

530

:

I should have added more gray and I each

hold our spoons at the ready, but jackal

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:

eat so fast we can't get near the pot.

532

:

I look at gray, who gives

me a, what can I do?

533

:

Shrug and returns to watching helplessly

as the last of our food disappears.

534

:

When jackal is finished, she

leans back and pats her belly.

535

:

That was good.

536

:

Well, we need to be on our way.

537

:

I say getting to my feet, and you need

to get back to searching for your herbs.

538

:

Isn't that right?

539

:

Jackal's lips pressed together.

540

:

I'm sure she doesn't like the way I'm

dismissing her, but that's too bad.

541

:

Instead of leaving her eyes flash on gray.

542

:

So I'll be seeing you at the

eatery later tonight, won't I?

543

:

Gray looks slightly bewildered.

544

:

The eatery jackal says

like she can't believe.

545

:

He doesn't understand all the pilgrims.

546

:

Stay there.

547

:

Three shekels get you supper

and floor space to sleep.

548

:

And gray looks at the sky.

549

:

That sounds good.

550

:

It looks like rain tonight.

551

:

He glances at me.

552

:

We need to restock our supplies anyway.

553

:

Gray knows perfectly well that I would

hate the idea of sleeping with a group of

554

:

strangers, but clearly he doesn't care.

555

:

I shrug and look away.

556

:

Gray clears his throat.

557

:

Well then we'll see you there.

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About the Podcast

Creative Spiritual Journey
one small, deliberate step at a time
We are all on a journey—a journey home to our heavenly parents. Any experienced traveler knows there are days you laugh and days you cry.

We aren’t here to tell you how to live—we are here to share how we live—how we survive, thrive, and even find joy!

The journey gets messy with rainstorms and sleepless flights but the hard times—the miserable times—those make the best stories.

And the vistas, the sunsets, the little birds outside the window—those are the reminders that God is in the details, he is aware of us, he has trod the path before.

The Creative Spiritual Journey Podcast is hosted by Judy and Ghia Cooley—two sisters in their wisdom years—who love the savior and are dedicated to making this journey one small, deliberate step at a time.

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